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religion is such a strong power which can control people's minds. so that the government is wary of it, it's understandable. religion can help people to do good things, but sometimes, it may cause passivism. i personally don't understand why do people can be religious, but i respect their religions. so that i don't quite understand why do believers consider whether the bishop is ordained by the Vatican is quite important.

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China's state-backed Church has begun to ordain Vatican-approved bishops after a hiatus of more than two years, signalling that long-strained relations between the two sides are on the mend.

Cai Bingrui was ordained bishop of Xiamen, in southeastern Fujian province, at the weekend. He was the third bishop to be installed in as many weeks with the approval of both China's government-sanctioned Catholic Patriotic Association and the Vatican.

According to people close to delicate diplomatic talks between China and the Vatican, which have not recognised each other since 1951, as many as 20 mutually agreed bishops could be ordained over coming months. “There has been some improvement in relations and there is now more mutual trust,” said one person familiar with the negotiations.

The Vatican is the only country in the developed world that still maintains diplomatic relations with Taiwan rather than China. The re-establishment of relations with the Church, which claims spiritual leadership over 1bn Catholics worldwide, would represent a major diplomatic coup for Beijing. For its part, Rome is eager to boost its presence and influence in the world's most populous nation, which is home to an estimated 11m Catholics.

Senior diplomatic officials from both sides have been meeting two or three times a year in their ongoing effort to re-establish diplomatic relations. The last summit was held in Rome in February, with the next expected in Beijing this summer.

The recent ordinations in China are also vital to the rejuvenation of the Church there. The new bishops, in their late 30s or early 40s, are replacing elderly predecessors in their 80s or even 90s – a generation gap stemming from decades of religious repression under Mao Zedong. Before the April 18 ordination of Meng Qinglu in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia, there had not been a bishop appointment in China since December 2007.

A few days after Bishop Meng's installation, Shen Bin was ordained as the new bishop of Haimen in Jiangsu province.

Sino-Vatican relations hit bottom in April 2006, when China unilaterally ordained Ma Yinglin as bishop of Kunming, in south-western Yunnan province.

The Chinese government had itself been angered by the Vatican's decision, announced a few months earlier, to elevate Bishop Joseph Zen of Hong Kong to cardinal. Cardinal Zen, an outspoken champion of democracy and human rights in the largely autonomous Chinese Special Administrative Region, has long been a thorn in Beijing's side.

Despite recent improvements, Sino-Vatican relations remain delicate and could be easily derailed by another unilateral bishop appointment.

In addition, Church officials worry that a bishop not recognised by the Vatican, such as Mr Ma, might preside over an upcoming ordination.

Bishops approved by Rome are also under pressure to attend and lend legitimacy to Chinese domestic bodies, including the National Congress of Catholic Representatives, whose authority is not recognised by the Pope.
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Post time 2010-5-11 09:10:18 |Display all floors
Re. future diplomatic relations:

It's no surprise to see the Holy See trying to improve relations with Beijing by finding compromises when it comes to ordaining bishops. Presently the Vatican is under siege because of dozens of paedophile cases where priests and bishops were/are involved. The pope urgently needs a success story to bury uncomfortable news. Normalizing relations with Beijing is exactly what Benedictus XVI is looking for.

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Post time 2010-5-19 18:48:15 |Display all floors
Note: Does China really need all these potential "time-bombs"? When these come around, China will regret and has its hands full, as these are inter-connected with overseas affiliations.


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You must be a cross between a snake and a dog. That confirms the fact that you are a Running Dog and you speak with a forked tongue. Little wonder that you are such a natural compulsive LIAR and a FAKE.

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Reply #2 satsu_jin's post

Vatican as a matter of practice has been secretly approving most of the Chinese Bishops.

Usually, if the Bishop has not been pre-approved, as in the past, the Bishop himself will seek "reconciliation" with the Pope in secret.  And the Pope will "reconcile" the Bishop with the universal Catholic Church by giving his approval of his appointment, also in secret.

Not that many Bishops have not been approved, for the past 30 years.

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